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diff --git a/share/theo b/share/theo new file mode 100644 index 0000000..ac20373 --- /dev/null +++ b/share/theo @@ -0,0 +1,1985 @@ +Buttons are for idiots. +% +Why are you guys so fork paranoid? Do you want everyone to vote for +the same political party, too? +% +I think your computer science teachers are still teaching you from +books written in the 80's, when the word "micro-kernel" was associated +with a future utopia. +% +But software which OpenBSD uses and redistributes must be free to +all (be they people or companies), for any purpose they wish to use +it, including modification, use, peeing on, or even integration +into baby mulching machines or atomic bombs to be dropped on +Australia. +% +You did not create these mailing lists, so you can take your opinions +about why these lists were created and shove them up your ass. +% +I am simply astounded at some of the things people keep repeating. +I don't mean this applies to everyone, but is there a high quantity +of attention deficit disorder in our user community? Or retards? +Or is it just the same old trolling? OpenBSD does not incorporate +non-free software. +% +Scaling isn't really our concern; I barely know what the word means. +There is one group of people who we do know scales. Whiners. They +scale really well. +% +I am very easy to get along with, but I don't have time to waste +being nice to people who are being stupid. +% +Hardly surprising. Apple. They build crap and make you pay extra. +% +You are absolutely deluded, if not stupid, if you think that a +worldwide collection of software engineers who can't write operating +systems or applications without security holes, can then turn around +and suddenly write virtualization layers without security holes. +% +In the modern world of search engines, this question lands at the +same level as trolling. +% +You are very confused. +% +Have you considered trying to live 100% without our software? +% +Your grief would seem more sincere if didn't look like a shopping +list. +% +You are not listening. +% +You enabled things which are disabled for a good reason. +% +You are missing the point. Your bug report is huge, but we have +no idea what went wrong. +% +It is pretty clear you are a troll. +% +No, please, don't explain. +% +You obviously have zero experience. +% +You clearly cannot read. +% +You better get back to class; your potty break is over. +% +Go read the source code some time. +% +Nope. +% +No. +% +Bullshit. +% +The rest of your new email is bullshit, too. +% +Noone deserves anything from us. People get good things, and they +are happy. The developers in this project do the best they can +writing innovative software, and will not accept preaching from +pompous self-entitled American pricks like you. +% +I believe you deserve to stop running the software. +% +You are wrong. +% +Don't be ridiculous. +% +Yes, we should build a survey. And a wiki. It would be awesome. +We'd get rich. +% +One word can change the meaning of a sentence. You failed at what +you intended, and you also confused people. +% +You made a decision to keep running code that old, and thus you are +on your own. You won't spend time figuring out which one of our +changes over 2 years might fix the problem you are having, and we +won't either. +% +Your hopes are misplaced. +% +I still think you are a loser. +% +If you have endured a real bug for a long time, and not filed a bug +report to have it fixed.. and then feel it is your right to scold +people who attempt to explain the bug, then quite frankly, then YOU +TOTALLY SUCK. +% +You are astoundingly naive. We simply don't need the grief of +entertaining users like you. +% +Basically what you submitted was not a bug report. +% +User is using a heavily tuned kernel and refuses to listen to advice +about de-tuning all those things; as a result, noone can help him. +% +Holy cow, you are dense. +% +You don't know what you are talking about, and you don't seem to +have the ability to wrap your mind around all the parts that are +involved. +% +I am not reading your mails again. +% +Totally false. +% +You must not be reading the same code I am. +% +Your approach is wrong. +% +What you just said was utterly careless. +% +No. You misread the code. +% +All the many eyes are apparently attached to a lot of hands that +type lots of words about many eyes, and never actually audit code. +% +I am so bloody dissapointed in the community that uses our stuff. +% +What a dismal world view. +% +That is a simplistic viewpoint held by your simplistic mind. +% +I hope that one day due process is denied you. +% +Such an American viewpoint. +% +It didn't work out for Don Quixote either. +% +You have it entirely backwards. +% +But you decided you are special, and don't want us to help us help +you. +% +Oh good grief, grow up. +% +Things change. Learn to cope. +% +Bye bye. +% +Stop thinking of only yourself. +% +You don't listen well either. +% +The comedy just never ends. +% +Hahahahaha. That's a good one. +% +I have a hard time believing you. +% +You are using FreeBSD, aren't you. +% +These programs are all bad. +% +If you expected any of us to reply as if we are contractors or your +employees, you came to the wrong place. +% +If you want the answers you are looking for, do the work yourself. +% +That is not our problem. +% +If you are not careful, why should we be? +% +Enjoy your windmill tilting. +% +I should probably ask -- did you even read the panic? Is the wording +too poor to understand (and thus result in peeking at the code) or +is the problem above the keyboard? +% +Oh, but linux people told you it was the best. I get it. +% +God god, do you live in some stupid fantasy world? +% +You already have a prompt that asks you that question. +% +Since your PR contains absolutely zero information about your machine +I am sending you back to kindergarden. Because you totally suck. +% +We'll be waiting for your fix then. +% +Come on. Read it carefully. +% +You have no right to speak. +% +It's a pity you don't go jump in a lake and drown yourself. +% +Thanks for telling me do so some reading, but a google of your name +on these mailing lists will show a 10 year pattern of you not being +able to self-help. Something to do with your parents, probably. +% +Hey look everyone, it's another uneducated user mouthing off on a +noisy mailing list. He goes blah blah blah, loving the sound of +his own noise. +% +I don't see any humility. +% +What a load of bullshit. +% +You are killing us with hyperbole. It is now hard to take anything +you say seriously. +% +FULL STOP. +% +Why don't you figure that out. +% +Your usage case is "Give me a button to push". +% +Balony. +% +Anyways, who cares. +% +We couldn't care what you believe, unless you have diffs of your +own to submit. +% +You're kidding. +% +You are making up rules as you go along. Why don't you go read the +code? +% +Oh cut the crap. +% +Frankly, I think you are a whiner. +% +In your dreams.. +% +No. You must be at least this tall to use OpenBSD; sorry -- you +are a midget. +% +You've got it all wrong. +% +You'll experience anguish, and then if you try to ask for sympathy +a lot of people will laugh at you. +% +I don't know for certain, but I believe you are just making things +up as you go along, because you are nothing but a troll. +% +In summary -- the entire effort is a complete load of crap. +% +Oh come on, admit it, you are wrong. +% +That's a lot of words. +% +Sorry, but I have lost all appetite to help you. +% +Oh sorry, I forgot to think like an American for a second there. +% +If you have so many ideas you should go ahead and start your own +project. Good luck building a successfull project based on 'ideas'. +% +I'm not even going to read to the end. +% +You are a prick. +% +Tell linus. You can google for his email address. +% +Just pathetic. Hope you actually get a life sometime. +% +Wrong. +% +You missed the point. +% +Don't worry. Most of us see your name and at that moment delete +the mail. This reply is an exception. +% +You realize that you are going to run into thousands of other +problems as a result of that practice? +% +What you suggest is absolute rubbish. It is just talk -- not action +-- but furthermore you don't have a clue what you are talking about. +% +Really. How interesting. +% +Let's keep it simple. Why don't you just go away, and stop acting +the fool? +% +I am just plain fed up with the bullshit you cowards spew. +% +I don't believe you. You suggested it because you only thought of +your own benefit, not of the amount of work others would have to +do. +% +Have you thought this through, at all? +% +Some days I want to just quit and say fuck it all. +% +All I ever wanted was a hobby. If this pathetic slob doesn't like +our hobby, they should stop relying on it. +% +Let idiots suffer on their own. +% +The point is that you are a crybaby. +% +We really are not interested in the story of your life. +% +So you presume. +% +You probably rape children in your spare time, and here you are, +yelling at us for violating your perceived entitlement. +% +Can you please leave? +% +Now, again, please leave. +% +You know, you have an option available to you regarding this. You +could come to the conclusion that you are not entitled and stop +posting, and it will work out better in the long term. I did not +read anything more you said. +% +Your attitude stinks. Good luck with life. +% +Pulease... +% +I don't know who you are, but you do nothing. What do you do? +% +I don't see your name on any the source code. So you shut up, loser. +Just go away. +% +Perhaps we made mistakes. Perhaps they'll be changed. But you are +just spouting bullshit. +% +I am not being sarcastic. I truly am sick of having my time wasted. +% +Yes you are wrong, and damn infuriating too. +% +You need to learn how to listen. +% +Read what it says. +% +You just like listening to yourself talk. Shut up. +% +Can you please stop acting as if you are smarter than us? I am +sorry to say it, but we have thought this through for many hours +by the time you show up to "play system designer". +% +I don't see the point. +% +Please don't. +% +The best part is that noone cares about that. +% +It is disgraceful to see what type of code being written these days. +% +You accept how we do it, and you will shut up, or less service will +be provided in the future. +% +If you don't like it, run something else. +% +I don't care. +% +I don't give a shit. +% +I really don't give a shit what you admire or not. +% +You are a whiny snively jerk, and every time you open your mouth I +go work on something else. +% +Your sense of self-importance just makes other people not even want +to try. +% +I could not give a rats ass what you say. +% +You just plain don't understand the problem. +% +Your attitude is not very nice. +% +You had me going for a moment. +% +Wow, your process stinks. +% +You need to read more carefully. +% +If you are just grandstanding, please stop. +% +Ah, we have another talker in the house. +% +Perhaps you should get a good delicing. +% +You'll never be a developer, so who cares? +% +Oh my god, the tears! Look at his tears! +% +Just give it up and get lost. +% +Wow, you sure like to make presumptions. +% +Thing is, you won't get help here. +% +Your lack of any attempt to educate yourself is your problem. +% +No, no no no no. +% +No. You have it wrong. Go back to reading school. +% +Come on.. stop making assumptions. +% +We are not believers in buttons. Knobs are for knobs. +% +Oh yeah, that's a great idea! +% +I'm making fun of you. +% +Whatever you did does not do what you think it does. In fact, I +bet it is doing exactly the opposite of what you think it does. +% +Don't be fooled. +% +They are simplistic retards, not because they choose to be, but +because their paychecks tell them to be so. +% +Great. +% +Oh, you're not going to do it? Oh you can't do it? +% +No way. +% +Except you are wrong. +% +If some of you people keep insisting on having backwards compatibitity +with the stone age, we'll have stone tools forever. +% +I don't know why our mailing lists are always full of people who +don't even understand what they are talking about. +% +You guys just are not thinking. +% +You've got to be kidding me. +% +I won't look further since you have a history of not listening. +% +There is no point in testing a diff which is wrong. +% +Are you a troll? +% +can you not read the prompt? +% +you could try "make me sandwitch" and have the same effect. +% +No, I am advocating that you TAKE CARE OF YOUR OWN PROBLEMS YOURSELF. +% +Learn your tools. From hammers to saws to cars to operating systems, +it is all the same. +% +That is balony. +% +PHP is not part of OpenBSD. +% +To me it sounds like you are used to paying a lot, and now you +expect the same from us, who you don't pay at all. That is a rude +approach. +% +Who's the child now? +% +We try our best to make it the best. Do you try your best to help +us? I doubt it. So we try the best we can without people like you +helping us. +% +So learn to type correctly. +% +Shame on you. +% +This is an error in the manual page. +% +whatever. +% +I do not agree with your assessment. +% +Why hold people who you don't pay to a higher standard than the +people who you do pay? +% +Stop spreading lies. +% +Geez, you're not listening +% +make of it what you will. +% +Unfortunate. +% +Be realistic. +% +Sorry, but you are wrong. +% +You are completely missing the point. +% +If that workaround was the right thing to do, it would be the +default. +% +What happened is that you thought it was time to say something +useless, which adds no value to the conversation. +% +You are just a whiny boy who pisses on people who spent 2 years +writing the code. +% +In short, you are socially inept unappreciative asshole. +% +Come on guys. Don't have me OK this. +% +I see other projects falling into this problem all the time. It +is awesome. +% +Ha ha. I watch other projects. +% +We won't commit it. +% +Perhaps. +% +I don't see any problem. +% +As developers we make decisions which we believe serve our users +the best. +% +Wow, what's that got to do with anything? +% +c++ is a pile of crap. +% +You have this very wrong. +% +Your code is completely wrong. +% +No way. +% +None of that matters here. +% +I am not directing you. +% +Wow. You sure do set the bar low. +% +The rest of what you are yapping about does not matter. +% +Do you think we care? +% +God bless the people who employ you, they need the blessing. +% +That's the process. +% +Hey, stick a screw driver into your ear. +% +Does it help anything? No. +% +Ridiculous. +% +You know better. +% +Lacking a terse starting point, soon we have users who don't know +where to start. +% +Beautiful. +% +the multiplicative effects are far too serious. +% +^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +% +If you believe strongly in this idea, you should take an entire +operating system base and prove the case. +% +Good luck! +% +Totally wrong there. +% +Uhm, that's a pretty weak argument. +% +Standing alone, "compatibility with FOO" is not a very strong +argument. What next, "compatibility with Xenix and Windows"? +% +Too bad. You can use other software. +% +I decided to make a guess as to the region you are from. +% +Your request is ridiculous. +% +The people who write code get to decide how they document it. +% +Don't like it? Then walk away. +% +The only person who did something useful, is the author of the +software. +% +There is a user community, and a development community. +% +Listen to yourself, proud of the complex words you found in a +dictionary. +% +It is really amazing that so many people prefer to remain blissfully +unaware. +% +I have seen nothing I would qualify as a "bug report". +% +Sorry, but it's the truth. +% +So glad to have the expert speak. +% +It is clear you don't understand the code that was commited. +% +It is an obvious mechanism. +% +Good luck. +% +Autoinstall does not handle this type of problem either. +% +I was quite unhappy when this "solution" was proposed initially, +since solutions of that sort often lead to no true solution down +the road. +% +I really love how we keep getting advice. +% +That's a great idea. +% +That is not true. +% +Maybe. +% +It's so simple. Why didn't I think of it. +% +I am going to make a guess here. +% +Imagine you told us a lot about your life, and we gave you advice. +% +If you want it done, do it yourself. +% +I rather doubt it. +% +You've missed the point. +% +Wow, so many crazy suggstions. +% +I completely doubt that. +% +thanks for the lesson in logic. +% +No, the original answer here is the right one. +% +Please state your case very carefully and clearly. +% +Right now, you are not talking facts. +% +You are spreading misinformation. +% +Why??? +% +NO WAY! +% +That feels like a disservice to the world. +% +This is total balony. +% +Bullshit. +% +Wow. What hostility. +% +There's research and there is the real world. +% +From time to time, mistakes sneak in. +% +It is theoretically possible to give a loaded gun to a baby; things +will probably work out fine. +% +What is your solution? +% +And what is your solution? +% +I'm getting ready to declare you a kook +% +In that situation, you would probably want to be left in piece. +% +If you start your own successfull project, you also can develop +your own set of reasons for doing any of a variety of operational +things at any point in time. +% +You seem to have a rather over-extented sense of entitlement +% +Most people are not capable of writing good patches, so it would +be unprofessional to ask such people to write patches. +% +You are speaking like a child. +% +You really need to write a single comprehensive bug report that has +no inconsistancies. +% +THANK YOU FOR THE CLARITY. +% +Sigh. +% +So read what I said again. +% +Improvements come when people try to push forward along the curve. +% +People like you... +% +Let's follow that thought. +% +Incorrect. +% +I don't see the point. +% +So that is the reason why my car stereo has two sets of volume +control knobs..... with the second set located inside the engine +compartment, so I have to stop at the side of the road, pop open +the hood, and reach down along the hot engine to near where the oil +filter is. +% +Take that for what it is. +% +Whatever you're doing, it is wrong. +% +Riiiiiiiiight. Suuuuuuuure. Keep believing that. +% +I would like to see some proof of that. +% +That's not going to happen. +% +Wow. No. +% +You are showing that you can't do any research at all, but want to +throw ideas out. +% +Unlikely. +% +Well... +% +That is a very dangerous direction. +% +I think this will cause further damage. +% +Are you saying OpenBSD does it wrong, or that all the operating +systems do it wrong? +% +Wow, really thick skull you got there. +% +Get real. +% +You can decide what you do with your time, but you cannot decide +what other people do with theirs. +% +And then we move on? +% +Are you kidding? Who does that help? Who? +% +You have offered nothing. +% +You overstate your worth. +% +shrug +% +In your dreams. +% +Amazing isn't it? +% +Oh now I sense some angst. +% +See how bad things start to happen? +% +But I think it is clear you aren't a programmer, and this is over +your head. +% +Did they pay you to write all that text? +% +there is bullshit coming out of your mouth. +% +The nastiest behaviour is "sense of entitlement". +% +You are the type of people who create these situations. +% +We rarely hear about success, because those people are just happy. +% +Totall irrelevant. +% +It is what it is. Work with it. +% +In the interests of full disclosure, do you work for the government +or sell to the government? +% +I heard. +% +you must know, i want no part in any politics. +% +i'm trying to stay out of politics. +% +there are fingers to point all the way around. +% +am i making all this up? perhaps i am, but you don't have to dream +my dreams. +% +i was up at 9am, climbed a mountain, hiked 6 km through 4ft deep +slush (the image you are supposed to get is of 12 million overturned +slurpee cups, and of geting your groin wet in slurpee), nearly died +eating beef vindaloo, wrote some code, talked on the phone, wrote +mail, and now it's almost 4am and this is absolutely beyond ridiculous. +% +who said that? +% +why are you asking me? +% +Then I guess you are just stupid. +% +Since you don't supply diffs, you are a waste of skin. +% +Huh? You've understood incorrectly. +% +This approach is simplestic and wrong. +% +This is not a conversation about your IPv6 connection. +% +What problem are you trying to solve? +% +Wow, what chatter. +% +I don't understand society is producing a generation of people +incapable of self-help. +% +There are people who do that. +% +Shrug. +% +Chill dude. +% +It is crap. +% +Oh good god. +% +I don't know you, maybe I am misinterpreting you. +% +Wow, don't know where you got that from. +% +You persist in reading too much into things. +% +So this is a great way to lose focus. +% +You can figure out what I'm not saying on this line. +% +I think this is a trap. +% +That is an interesting claim. +% +ANSWER THE QUESTION. +% +I am not playing any games. Let's look at the facts. +% +I haven't even read this. +% +I don't care. +% +I quite dislike the direction this is going. +% +Nothing ever changes, noone ever learns, noone cares. +% +With your attitude, I beg you to please go run some other operating +system. +% +Why haven't you left? Please leave. +% +Please leave immediately. +% +Get over it. +% +Please read the actual code. +% +Was that neccessary? +% +Handholding can go only so far. +% +Please, not again. +% +It is in the FAQ. +% +Someone is totally full of shit. +% +You are quite a character. +% +I suspect money which goes into your bank account comes from an +entity not quite on the same side as us. +% +You have an agenda. +% +So easy to be critical. +% +Great conversation... +% +Who do you work for? Governments? +% +Please people, ignore him. +% +I love this conversation. +% +Amazing. +% +Go a few cycles. +% +Why? +% +No really, precisely why do you trust us? +% +What a joke. +% +That is quite a fiction. +% +Never expect a group to perform a task which an individual won't. +% +We never said our code should be trusted. +% +Since I value my sanity, I saw that report, and I ignored it. +% +The complaint department is down the hall. +% +Such strong words. +% +It must be easy to sit in your chair and demand that others meet +your expectations. +% +Didn't you read the manual page? +% +I think you are on your own. +% +Nope. +% +Look there is a disconnect. +% +Fundamentally, OpenBSD is a research project. +% +Hilarious. +% +Your process seems to be "I don't understand the problem, so here +is a diff" +% +And now let's ask the question which matters. +% +Did you think of that? +% +You aren't even trying. PLONK. +% +Oh just shut up. +% +You aren't going to do shit because you don't have any skills. +% +Thank you for adding the value of your words. +% +This is idle chatter hoping someone supplies some secret sauce that +makes a disparate audience with different demands all happy. +% +Welcome to the real world. +% +Sorry. +% +Violates POSIX and C89, which violate best practice in this century. +% +Look, this is rather simple. +% +Oh really. +% +It ends badly. +% +I explained that. +% +Alas. +% +The NTP codebase is larger than the SSH codebase. +% +Guess you don't understand internet. +% +Can I ask what kind of plant are you? +% +And who are you, and what you have you done to test and then prove +your thesis? +% +I am continually baffled by how often we have to explain this point, +over and over and over again. +% +Do not submit a new bug report. +% +Let me be blunt. Your advice is bad. +% +If as a general rule we all want better code running on our systems, +where do you fit in? +% +Nope! +% +Sigh. +% +Now you plainly don't sound like a developer type. +% +What is your solution? +% +You've got access to all this source code. +% +If you can't study the world around you, you will remain ignorant. +% +Don't worry. +% +For contributions to the OpenBSD Project, I make the decision of +how to spend it. +% +Is that an accusation? +% +Look, you'll be fine. +% +Don't waste your money on a false ideal by someone who misunderstands +modern hardware and the market forces. +% +I've think you've had your say. +% +You've had your say. +% +Do you get it? I doubt it. +% +How dreary. +% +Anyways, your timing is atrocious! +% +Look, stop being a child. +% +Such hyperbole! Such drama! +% +Reactive is not the same as proactive. +% +Please run something else. You'll be happier. Really. +% +The problem is you don't pay it backwards. You don't pay it forward. +You don't pay at all. You just beg. +% +I'll ask in a general fashion: Are you stupid? +% +You don't provide any encouragement except for "me me! think of +me!". +% +You are out of touch. +% +OpenBSD is not generally known as an exposed democracy. +% +Are you going to do something -- beyond just being sarcastic? +% +Highly unlikely. +% +Thanks for including all the information in the report. +% +Better question is: Why? +% +Get back onto your meds. +% +What a waste of words. +% +Please people stop mailing me privately and asking. +% +Wait and see. +% +In general, you underestimate the effort involved. +% +Well, I don't think the world will fall over as a result. +% +NOT.... +% +I think this entire conversation is ridiculous, right from the +start. +% +I do not agree with those assessments. +% +In that case, what's the fuss? +% +Well.... +% +I disagree on all those points. +% +Completely wrong, and I have no no idea where you got that from! +% +Read the man page again! +% +You are scaring me. +% +I believe something is not being understood here. +% +I don't normally do this. +% +Well sorry. +% +I don't see any reason. +% +Oh something is broken? +% +Please show your work. +% +Let's get serious and personal here for a second. In other aspects +of life, do you behave the same? +% +That is kind of crazy, isn't it. +% +That is an incorrect assessment. +% +That is only the beginning of it. +% +This is more than a meme. It is a plot. +% +Boggles the mind. +% +Please. +% +You know that is bullshit right? +% +Please stop subscribing us to your motivations. +% +That is false. +% +You are speaking in riddles. +% +That's nice. +% +You are so full of BS! +% +You are quite a persistant idiot. +% +You don't know jack shit about computers or electronics, that much +is obvious. +% +Once again you show that you don't know shit. +% +You are on your own. +% +you have confused yourself. +% +Well there is this funny story about when I hacked into RMS's +firmware-driven keyboard controller, and managed to grap his root +password. +% +You've been smoking something really mind altering, and I think you +should share it. +% +You've seen something on the shelf, and it has all sorts of pretty +colurs, and you've bought it. +% +Feeling a lot of dejavu here. +% +People should be careful what they ask for +% +Aww come on, you had us going until then. +% +I think I hear of someone doing this about every 10 years. +% +I made none of the claims you are composing. +% +That makes no sense. +% +Cannot. +% +Your process here is really strange. +% +How bizzare. +% +This conversation is going far too meta. +% +What's the goal. +% +You have a diff? +% +What you are trying to do is insane, wrong, and entirely unsupported. +% +SERIOUSLY?? +% +If you turn the forums you frequent into your help desk, you are +taking away their ability to focus on delivering you the software +you use. +% +There are too few of us, we cannot take on every problem. +% +Everyone, please ignore these trolls who are cross-posting. +% +Essentially, you are on your own. :-) +% +I am not so sure. +% +obviously. +% +I don't know, but I'll think about it later, because I am busy. +% +So the original idea wasn't yours. And now you think it can't work. +And you are still talking about it. I see. Very interesting. +% +That statement is full of potential for misunderstanding, and cannot +be left alone. +% +I was wrong. +% +Thanks. +% +Careful there :-) +% +That is incorrect advice for the OpenBSD world. +% +Your mistake. +% +This bug report totally sucks. +% +what is "this case"? +% +my advice: walk away from this one. +% +Generally Unix has no way of doing this. +% +So what do you really mean here? +% +Is a crash a performance impact? +% +what is the goal? +% +Your emails only contain opinions. +% +words words words words +% +Are you done? +% +Doesn't that send shivers down your spine? +% +Your bug report is too incomplete. Can't help you. +% +No. +% +We'd rather jump off a cliff. +% +Good luck with that. +% +Looking forward to you providing code which solves the problem. +% +This feature is probably older than you. +% +it is behaving *exactly* as intended. +% +There are a few compromises. +% +I think I know a perfect candidate to take this further: You. +% +Seriously? +% +The OpenBSD process is quite well understood. Use the best methods, +doubt what you do, refractor. +% +Hey, it looks like you are just trying to be a dick. +% +Does your mother know? +% +It's great that you have an opinion. +% +Run something else! We don't care! +% +That's a load of bull. +% +Your opinions count for zero. +% +To achieve merit, you must do the homework you assigned yourself. +% +Get serious. +% +and I wanna build a rocket ship... +% +No thanks. +% +The problem is obvious. +% +If you don't have the skill to do it, well that's too bad... +% +You didn't do your homework, and it blew up in your face. Then you +wrote a few paragraphs. Then I replied. That is the whole sad +story. +% +I tried to read the rest of what you wrote. It makes no sense. +% +I find this discussion pretty uninteresting. +% +I wish more people would find real bugs to fix. +% +:-) +% +I'm done. +% +I don't think you understand what is being done here. +% +Funny. +% +I don't see that. +% +I don't have an answer for you. +% +I don't see the purpose of that. +% +No. +% +Doctor it hurts when I stab myself in the eye. +% +I believe you are not trying to contribute anything valuable with +your comment. +% +are you being trolled now? +% +You are not tall enough to ride. +% +^^^^^^^ +% +People who submit reports which are missing information should feel +terrible. +% +Absolutely no way, that makes no sense. +% +Kill it. +% +On that matter, I'd say tough. +% +It's not black magic. +% +Sigh. +% +Disagree strongly. +% +Don't hold me responsible for the shortcuts. +% +And noone cares what you like or dislike. +% +There will be little or no thought. +% +I am very sceptical. +% +A related issue is lots of people don't know anything about anything. +% +Look, your statement is false. +% +That is the result of a mis-configuration on your part. +% +That is not best practice. +% +This does not matter. +% +It is risk, all gigantic risk. +% +Sometimes people put a bad idea into an RFC. +% +Why -- to hurt people? +% +Oh the situation is much worse than that. +% +I disagree. +% +The same model is not applicable to everything. +% +This is another offer which will be rejected. +% +No. +% +Tired of the suggestions. +% +The end. +% +Sorry, I see it the other way around. +% +This is how rumours start, I guess. +% +That is incorrect. +% +That is the worst possible advice ever. +% +I am really impressed by the analytical skills I observe here. +% +Maybe the fortress fell over because you didn't have enough Lego. +% +Why are you doing this? +% +I still don't see the use case. +% +You haven't justified it. +% +No. +% +I have changed my mind. +% +Whoa. +% +I don't see how that helps anything. +% +What do you want us to do about it? +% +I think you are done here. +% +Whoah. +% +because. +% +No, it is not. +% +Why? +% +Please supply a good justification why that is good. +% +End of story. +% +Everyone tires of your well articulated agenda pushes. +% +Incorrect. +% +Not exactly. +% +We already suffer from low quality in many bug reports. +% +Our function in this ecosystem definately does not include dealing +with other people's bullshit decisions... +% +If you don't care, then don't talk about it. +% +Your voice does not count. +% +that is really not a useful bug report. +% +Yeah, you sure are the cool dude. +% +Things change. +% +Whoa. +% +No? +% +Expectation management is a bitch. +% +There has been a lot of discussion about this. +% +Just stop it. We are not going to listen to you. +% +That is not right. +% +You are on your own. +% +That is not true. +% +That's nice. +% +not everything is perfect. +% +I don't like it. +% +We prefer creating a world that is simpler. +% +Are we finished here? +% +that is intentional. +% +Why not delete it? +% +Pick a position -- then defend it. +% +Switch to Linux, where violations are the norm. +% +Pick a damn position, and declare it. +% +If software sucks, say so. +% +Who didn't solve that problem? People like you. +% +Around here, you come off like a dick who didn't help everyone. +% +unfeasible! +% +There is no juxtaposition. +% +AND WHERE IS THE PONY. +% +It's ok, my cats cannot read and interpret such complexities either. +% +You bought some plastic. +% +You sir, are just wastewater. +% +Your words are just bile. +% +You are way out of line with the software development community. +% +Your interpretations are hostile. +% +I could be doing far better things than making CDs. +% +No way. +% +You are more likely to get sympathy from your mother. +% +[rest deleted] +% +if you can't use the tools to study what is happening, you don't +stand a chance making things better +% +No thanks, it does not make sense. +% +No, you should not. +% +We do not have magic to do this at the moment. +% +Well, openbsd is not linux. +% +This is likely to change, in some way. +% +Thanks for the feedback :-) +% +No, it is not. +% +Why? +% +Please supply a good justification why that is good. +% +End of story. +% +Everyone tires of your well articulated agenda pushes. +% +Incorrect. +% +Not exactly. +% +We already suffer from low quality in many bug reports. +% +Our function in this ecosystem definately does not include dealing +with other people's bullshit decisions... +% +If you don't care, then don't talk about it. +% +Your voice does not count. +% +that is really not a useful bug report. +% +Yeah, you sure are the cool dude. +% +Things change. +% +Whoa. +% +No? +% +Expectation management is a bitch. +% +There has been a lot of discussion about this. +% +Just stop it. We are not going to listen to you. +% +That is not right. +% +You are on your own. +% +That is not true. +% +That's nice. +% +not everything is perfect. +% +I don't like it. +% +We prefer creating a world that is simpler. +% +Are we finished here? +% +that is intentional. +% +Why not delete it? +% +Pick a position -- then defend it. +% +Switch to Linux, where violations are the norm. +% +Pick a damn position, and declare it. +% +If software sucks, say so. +% +Who didn't solve that problem? People like you. +% +Around here, you come off like a dick who didn't help everyone. +% +unfeasible! +% +There is no juxtaposition. +% +AND WHERE IS THE PONY. +% +It's ok, my cats cannot read and interpret such complexities either. +% +You bought some plastic. +% +You sir, are just wastewater. +% +Your words are just bile. +% +You are way out of line with the software development community. +% +Your interpretations are hostile. +% +I could be doing far better things than making CDs. +% +No way. +% +You are more likely to get sympathy from your mother. +% +[rest deleted] +% +if you can't use the tools to study what is happening, you don't +stand a chance making things better +% +No thanks, it does not make sense. +% +No, you should not. +% +We do not have magic to do this at the moment. +% +Well, openbsd is not linux. +% +This is likely to change, in some way. +% +Thanks for the feedback :-) +% +you will only receive crocodile tears from me. +% +Well perhaps you should just leave if you don't like the truth? +% +It is all about your actions. +% +Survival in the universe requires more than copy-and-paste. +% +Summary: The OP has a learning disability. +% +Frankly, who cares? +% +Get off my computer kidz. +% +That stands against my principles. +% +Take a chill pill, or participate in improving it, or wait your +turn. +% +When things go wrong, we contain their influence. +% +sorry to hear you don't understand +% +this is not really a forum to attempt education +% +Look -- did you read the manual page? +% +It seems you did all that, but didn't read the manual pages. +% +Not all errata are for security. +% +Undeducated *check* opinioned *check* +% +There is no way to forgive people who intentionally step in the +shit. +% +It sounds as if you don't understand what happens. +% +So what is learned here? +% +I don't have an answer. +% +Let me get this straight. +% +I see your character... +% +You can do whatever you want. +% +That is completely insane. +% +That's the kind of comment that leads me to take bug reports less +seriously in the future... +% +Crazy. +% +Please. +% +I really doubt the drama of this. +% +whatever +% +Look. +% +Well, is mentioning this even important? +% +I'll ask the question: Why are you sure you need that? +% +pretty sad, but I guess that's the way the world works +% +There is a bug in your brain. +% +You yammer yammer yammer without detail. +% +Something is eating your brain. +% +It depends on what you want. +% +They are manual pages, not manual books. +% +You are welcome to spend your time building an entire new subsystem +and proving the value of your work. +% +Go knock yourself out. +% +Sorry you lost me. +% +I can't tell if you are supporting a useless idea, or declaring +that a useless idea is not worth supporting. +% +So lets just yak about it, right? +% +Yes, I said asshole. +% +I'm astounded by this situation. +% +It is hard to believe people will want that. +% +Why the surprise? +% +Basically, this cannot be oversimplified by 1 line questions followed +by 1 line answers. +% +I'm sorry, but I don't get it. +% +Bootstrapping problem is bootstrapping problem. +% +That is not possible. +% +You really haven't got a clue. +% +You can go read the source. +% +That is incorrect. +% +We don't manage dependencies. +% +You haven't justified need. +% +Careful what you ask for. +% +Demands aren't well received. +% +A detailed bug report helps. 1 line of whining doesn't. +% +4. Roll up sleeves and fix the issue. +% +If you don't understand how computers and networking work, I'm sure +you can find another job. +% +Not everyone is suited to every role. +% +Another solution is to smash that device with a hammer. +% +Did that help? +% +Some of you will think this is a total joke. +% +Overdocumenting isn't a strength. +% +If you want it working, you will need to get it fixed. +% +If you really wanted it fixed you have the src code. +% +Please leave here. +% +Just you, I think. +% +That won't work. +% +If I see a mail which isn't plain text, I delete it. +% +someone in linux land went off the map here. +% +only thinking of yourself, and missing the point. +% +No, what you want does not exist. +% +I said no the first time, and provided a detailed explaination. +% +Why did you feel the need jump in? Ichy butt? +% +Let's just stop this. +% +You just aren't capable of listening to what is being said. +% +I'd like my lawn mowed. +% +I think the entire approach is dumb. +% +There was once a better path. +% +Animated sparkle. +% +I'm not sure what else you expect. +% +Punting stupid problems along forever just gets worse and worse. +% +In a decade, what will this mess look like? +% +When people push buttons, they will eventually hit something +undocumented. +% +I just came to the conclusion you are a loudmouthed jackass. +% +So go away. +% +That doesn't make sense. +% +Well the options are: Get involved and do the work, or watch. +% +There is no policy. +% +Twice the work == twice the work. +% +Unfortunately, you cannot really help. +% +Learn the magic, change the magic. +% +Oh, so you are just some boasty guy on the net +% +You own all the pieces. +% +You are wrong. +% +No way. +% +You are showing inexperience. +% +No, not really. +% +Basically you are saying we should just change everything, consequences +and corectness be damned. +% +Uhm, in your dreams. +% +Not everything in unix is perfect. +% +That sucks. +% +That is working as intended. +% +ktrace or it didn't happen. +% +The solution is obvious. +% +By the way who are you? +% +You come off as pretty uncharitable. +% +More complexity. +% +I don't think you are listening. +% +Shrug. +% +I discussed world peace in a bar once. +% +Lots of words. No action. +% +Or you can go it all yourself. Why don't you do that? +% +It is pretty obvious you are only thinking of yourself, so you +should go create your own system. +% +But we don't need to put up with your demands. +% +Adjust your attitude user +% +I believe this conversation is over, because you have no credibility. +% +Oh are you just talking? +% +Inventing crazy shit is pointless. +% +Lots of misunderstandings in there. +% +Mitigations should be as cheap as possible to satisfy the goal. +% +Then it is probably over your head. Not much I can do about that. +% +That interpretation is wrong. +% +Don't change my words. +% +It is over your head. Or learn to read. Or learn to not reply before +you think. +% +You have a self-entitlement issue. +% +IF YOU ARE A GIGANTIC SLOPPY FAT PIG YOU SURE DO +% +Please go fluff up your sense of selfworth elsewhere. +% +There are no workarounds. +% +You been running that on the internet? +% +That'd be like leaving a running chainsaw on the floor at a daycare +center. +% +When something is dangerous, we get rid of it. +% +Sometimes it is almost like there is a stream of people who want +us to stop trying. +% +Oh, cut your crap. +% +So fix it, or pay someone to fix it. +% +Oh the righteous indignation of public discussion! +% +Have you ever heard of the concept of helping yourself? +% +Don't believe all the promises you hear. +% +Unfortunately noone cares. +% +not that it matters. +% +Sometimes there's a vast difference between a person who declares +something useful and easy to do, and the reality. Sometimes the +person is just plain wrong. +% +I hope noone helps you. +% +You are not helping out. +% +You are doing the bare mininum and tapping on a keyboard. +% +The socket layer will conspire against you. +% +so much drama +% +Your process will not solve anything. +% +But this isn't a pony shop. +% +Shut up +% +It is documented. +% +Sorry, your interpretation is incorrect. +% +Do we want the 1% solution? No. +% +I triage bugs by hitting 'd' in my mail reader. +% +I disagree +% +And please stop using that word. +% +I doubt anyone believes your extremely vague assertions. +% +Who cares? +% +You are making stuff up. +% +I don't think so. +% +you've all been trollolololololololo'd +% +Why? +% +Are we done here? +% +You can search for the rest of the information yourself. +% +No. +% +No. +% +Not going to explain further. +% +Get your shit together +% +oh my, the moral outrage +% +Let it go, and consider leaving for good. +% +Do you have evidence? +% +Diffs are welcome. +% +Please don't do that. +% |