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diff --git a/share/theo b/share/theo deleted file mode 100644 index ac20373..0000000 --- a/share/theo +++ /dev/null @@ -1,1985 +0,0 @@ -Buttons are for idiots. -% -Why are you guys so fork paranoid? Do you want everyone to vote for -the same political party, too? -% -I think your computer science teachers are still teaching you from -books written in the 80's, when the word "micro-kernel" was associated -with a future utopia. -% -But software which OpenBSD uses and redistributes must be free to -all (be they people or companies), for any purpose they wish to use -it, including modification, use, peeing on, or even integration -into baby mulching machines or atomic bombs to be dropped on -Australia. -% -You did not create these mailing lists, so you can take your opinions -about why these lists were created and shove them up your ass. -% -I am simply astounded at some of the things people keep repeating. -I don't mean this applies to everyone, but is there a high quantity -of attention deficit disorder in our user community? Or retards? -Or is it just the same old trolling? OpenBSD does not incorporate -non-free software. -% -Scaling isn't really our concern; I barely know what the word means. -There is one group of people who we do know scales. Whiners. They -scale really well. -% -I am very easy to get along with, but I don't have time to waste -being nice to people who are being stupid. -% -Hardly surprising. Apple. They build crap and make you pay extra. -% -You are absolutely deluded, if not stupid, if you think that a -worldwide collection of software engineers who can't write operating -systems or applications without security holes, can then turn around -and suddenly write virtualization layers without security holes. -% -In the modern world of search engines, this question lands at the -same level as trolling. -% -You are very confused. -% -Have you considered trying to live 100% without our software? -% -Your grief would seem more sincere if didn't look like a shopping -list. -% -You are not listening. -% -You enabled things which are disabled for a good reason. -% -You are missing the point. Your bug report is huge, but we have -no idea what went wrong. -% -It is pretty clear you are a troll. -% -No, please, don't explain. -% -You obviously have zero experience. -% -You clearly cannot read. -% -You better get back to class; your potty break is over. -% -Go read the source code some time. -% -Nope. -% -No. -% -Bullshit. -% -The rest of your new email is bullshit, too. -% -Noone deserves anything from us. People get good things, and they -are happy. The developers in this project do the best they can -writing innovative software, and will not accept preaching from -pompous self-entitled American pricks like you. -% -I believe you deserve to stop running the software. -% -You are wrong. -% -Don't be ridiculous. -% -Yes, we should build a survey. And a wiki. It would be awesome. -We'd get rich. -% -One word can change the meaning of a sentence. You failed at what -you intended, and you also confused people. -% -You made a decision to keep running code that old, and thus you are -on your own. You won't spend time figuring out which one of our -changes over 2 years might fix the problem you are having, and we -won't either. -% -Your hopes are misplaced. -% -I still think you are a loser. -% -If you have endured a real bug for a long time, and not filed a bug -report to have it fixed.. and then feel it is your right to scold -people who attempt to explain the bug, then quite frankly, then YOU -TOTALLY SUCK. -% -You are astoundingly naive. We simply don't need the grief of -entertaining users like you. -% -Basically what you submitted was not a bug report. -% -User is using a heavily tuned kernel and refuses to listen to advice -about de-tuning all those things; as a result, noone can help him. -% -Holy cow, you are dense. -% -You don't know what you are talking about, and you don't seem to -have the ability to wrap your mind around all the parts that are -involved. -% -I am not reading your mails again. -% -Totally false. -% -You must not be reading the same code I am. -% -Your approach is wrong. -% -What you just said was utterly careless. -% -No. You misread the code. -% -All the many eyes are apparently attached to a lot of hands that -type lots of words about many eyes, and never actually audit code. -% -I am so bloody dissapointed in the community that uses our stuff. -% -What a dismal world view. -% -That is a simplistic viewpoint held by your simplistic mind. -% -I hope that one day due process is denied you. -% -Such an American viewpoint. -% -It didn't work out for Don Quixote either. -% -You have it entirely backwards. -% -But you decided you are special, and don't want us to help us help -you. -% -Oh good grief, grow up. -% -Things change. Learn to cope. -% -Bye bye. -% -Stop thinking of only yourself. -% -You don't listen well either. -% -The comedy just never ends. -% -Hahahahaha. That's a good one. -% -I have a hard time believing you. -% -You are using FreeBSD, aren't you. -% -These programs are all bad. -% -If you expected any of us to reply as if we are contractors or your -employees, you came to the wrong place. -% -If you want the answers you are looking for, do the work yourself. -% -That is not our problem. -% -If you are not careful, why should we be? -% -Enjoy your windmill tilting. -% -I should probably ask -- did you even read the panic? Is the wording -too poor to understand (and thus result in peeking at the code) or -is the problem above the keyboard? -% -Oh, but linux people told you it was the best. I get it. -% -God god, do you live in some stupid fantasy world? -% -You already have a prompt that asks you that question. -% -Since your PR contains absolutely zero information about your machine -I am sending you back to kindergarden. Because you totally suck. -% -We'll be waiting for your fix then. -% -Come on. Read it carefully. -% -You have no right to speak. -% -It's a pity you don't go jump in a lake and drown yourself. -% -Thanks for telling me do so some reading, but a google of your name -on these mailing lists will show a 10 year pattern of you not being -able to self-help. Something to do with your parents, probably. -% -Hey look everyone, it's another uneducated user mouthing off on a -noisy mailing list. He goes blah blah blah, loving the sound of -his own noise. -% -I don't see any humility. -% -What a load of bullshit. -% -You are killing us with hyperbole. It is now hard to take anything -you say seriously. -% -FULL STOP. -% -Why don't you figure that out. -% -Your usage case is "Give me a button to push". -% -Balony. -% -Anyways, who cares. -% -We couldn't care what you believe, unless you have diffs of your -own to submit. -% -You're kidding. -% -You are making up rules as you go along. Why don't you go read the -code? -% -Oh cut the crap. -% -Frankly, I think you are a whiner. -% -In your dreams.. -% -No. You must be at least this tall to use OpenBSD; sorry -- you -are a midget. -% -You've got it all wrong. -% -You'll experience anguish, and then if you try to ask for sympathy -a lot of people will laugh at you. -% -I don't know for certain, but I believe you are just making things -up as you go along, because you are nothing but a troll. -% -In summary -- the entire effort is a complete load of crap. -% -Oh come on, admit it, you are wrong. -% -That's a lot of words. -% -Sorry, but I have lost all appetite to help you. -% -Oh sorry, I forgot to think like an American for a second there. -% -If you have so many ideas you should go ahead and start your own -project. Good luck building a successfull project based on 'ideas'. -% -I'm not even going to read to the end. -% -You are a prick. -% -Tell linus. You can google for his email address. -% -Just pathetic. Hope you actually get a life sometime. -% -Wrong. -% -You missed the point. -% -Don't worry. Most of us see your name and at that moment delete -the mail. This reply is an exception. -% -You realize that you are going to run into thousands of other -problems as a result of that practice? -% -What you suggest is absolute rubbish. It is just talk -- not action --- but furthermore you don't have a clue what you are talking about. -% -Really. How interesting. -% -Let's keep it simple. Why don't you just go away, and stop acting -the fool? -% -I am just plain fed up with the bullshit you cowards spew. -% -I don't believe you. You suggested it because you only thought of -your own benefit, not of the amount of work others would have to -do. -% -Have you thought this through, at all? -% -Some days I want to just quit and say fuck it all. -% -All I ever wanted was a hobby. If this pathetic slob doesn't like -our hobby, they should stop relying on it. -% -Let idiots suffer on their own. -% -The point is that you are a crybaby. -% -We really are not interested in the story of your life. -% -So you presume. -% -You probably rape children in your spare time, and here you are, -yelling at us for violating your perceived entitlement. -% -Can you please leave? -% -Now, again, please leave. -% -You know, you have an option available to you regarding this. You -could come to the conclusion that you are not entitled and stop -posting, and it will work out better in the long term. I did not -read anything more you said. -% -Your attitude stinks. Good luck with life. -% -Pulease... -% -I don't know who you are, but you do nothing. What do you do? -% -I don't see your name on any the source code. So you shut up, loser. -Just go away. -% -Perhaps we made mistakes. Perhaps they'll be changed. But you are -just spouting bullshit. -% -I am not being sarcastic. I truly am sick of having my time wasted. -% -Yes you are wrong, and damn infuriating too. -% -You need to learn how to listen. -% -Read what it says. -% -You just like listening to yourself talk. Shut up. -% -Can you please stop acting as if you are smarter than us? I am -sorry to say it, but we have thought this through for many hours -by the time you show up to "play system designer". -% -I don't see the point. -% -Please don't. -% -The best part is that noone cares about that. -% -It is disgraceful to see what type of code being written these days. -% -You accept how we do it, and you will shut up, or less service will -be provided in the future. -% -If you don't like it, run something else. -% -I don't care. -% -I don't give a shit. -% -I really don't give a shit what you admire or not. -% -You are a whiny snively jerk, and every time you open your mouth I -go work on something else. -% -Your sense of self-importance just makes other people not even want -to try. -% -I could not give a rats ass what you say. -% -You just plain don't understand the problem. -% -Your attitude is not very nice. -% -You had me going for a moment. -% -Wow, your process stinks. -% -You need to read more carefully. -% -If you are just grandstanding, please stop. -% -Ah, we have another talker in the house. -% -Perhaps you should get a good delicing. -% -You'll never be a developer, so who cares? -% -Oh my god, the tears! Look at his tears! -% -Just give it up and get lost. -% -Wow, you sure like to make presumptions. -% -Thing is, you won't get help here. -% -Your lack of any attempt to educate yourself is your problem. -% -No, no no no no. -% -No. You have it wrong. Go back to reading school. -% -Come on.. stop making assumptions. -% -We are not believers in buttons. Knobs are for knobs. -% -Oh yeah, that's a great idea! -% -I'm making fun of you. -% -Whatever you did does not do what you think it does. In fact, I -bet it is doing exactly the opposite of what you think it does. -% -Don't be fooled. -% -They are simplistic retards, not because they choose to be, but -because their paychecks tell them to be so. -% -Great. -% -Oh, you're not going to do it? Oh you can't do it? -% -No way. -% -Except you are wrong. -% -If some of you people keep insisting on having backwards compatibitity -with the stone age, we'll have stone tools forever. -% -I don't know why our mailing lists are always full of people who -don't even understand what they are talking about. -% -You guys just are not thinking. -% -You've got to be kidding me. -% -I won't look further since you have a history of not listening. -% -There is no point in testing a diff which is wrong. -% -Are you a troll? -% -can you not read the prompt? -% -you could try "make me sandwitch" and have the same effect. -% -No, I am advocating that you TAKE CARE OF YOUR OWN PROBLEMS YOURSELF. -% -Learn your tools. From hammers to saws to cars to operating systems, -it is all the same. -% -That is balony. -% -PHP is not part of OpenBSD. -% -To me it sounds like you are used to paying a lot, and now you -expect the same from us, who you don't pay at all. That is a rude -approach. -% -Who's the child now? -% -We try our best to make it the best. Do you try your best to help -us? I doubt it. So we try the best we can without people like you -helping us. -% -So learn to type correctly. -% -Shame on you. -% -This is an error in the manual page. -% -whatever. -% -I do not agree with your assessment. -% -Why hold people who you don't pay to a higher standard than the -people who you do pay? -% -Stop spreading lies. -% -Geez, you're not listening -% -make of it what you will. -% -Unfortunate. -% -Be realistic. -% -Sorry, but you are wrong. -% -You are completely missing the point. -% -If that workaround was the right thing to do, it would be the -default. -% -What happened is that you thought it was time to say something -useless, which adds no value to the conversation. -% -You are just a whiny boy who pisses on people who spent 2 years -writing the code. -% -In short, you are socially inept unappreciative asshole. -% -Come on guys. Don't have me OK this. -% -I see other projects falling into this problem all the time. It -is awesome. -% -Ha ha. I watch other projects. -% -We won't commit it. -% -Perhaps. -% -I don't see any problem. -% -As developers we make decisions which we believe serve our users -the best. -% -Wow, what's that got to do with anything? -% -c++ is a pile of crap. -% -You have this very wrong. -% -Your code is completely wrong. -% -No way. -% -None of that matters here. -% -I am not directing you. -% -Wow. You sure do set the bar low. -% -The rest of what you are yapping about does not matter. -% -Do you think we care? -% -God bless the people who employ you, they need the blessing. -% -That's the process. -% -Hey, stick a screw driver into your ear. -% -Does it help anything? No. -% -Ridiculous. -% -You know better. -% -Lacking a terse starting point, soon we have users who don't know -where to start. -% -Beautiful. -% -the multiplicative effects are far too serious. -% -^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ -% -If you believe strongly in this idea, you should take an entire -operating system base and prove the case. -% -Good luck! -% -Totally wrong there. -% -Uhm, that's a pretty weak argument. -% -Standing alone, "compatibility with FOO" is not a very strong -argument. What next, "compatibility with Xenix and Windows"? -% -Too bad. You can use other software. -% -I decided to make a guess as to the region you are from. -% -Your request is ridiculous. -% -The people who write code get to decide how they document it. -% -Don't like it? Then walk away. -% -The only person who did something useful, is the author of the -software. -% -There is a user community, and a development community. -% -Listen to yourself, proud of the complex words you found in a -dictionary. -% -It is really amazing that so many people prefer to remain blissfully -unaware. -% -I have seen nothing I would qualify as a "bug report". -% -Sorry, but it's the truth. -% -So glad to have the expert speak. -% -It is clear you don't understand the code that was commited. -% -It is an obvious mechanism. -% -Good luck. -% -Autoinstall does not handle this type of problem either. -% -I was quite unhappy when this "solution" was proposed initially, -since solutions of that sort often lead to no true solution down -the road. -% -I really love how we keep getting advice. -% -That's a great idea. -% -That is not true. -% -Maybe. -% -It's so simple. Why didn't I think of it. -% -I am going to make a guess here. -% -Imagine you told us a lot about your life, and we gave you advice. -% -If you want it done, do it yourself. -% -I rather doubt it. -% -You've missed the point. -% -Wow, so many crazy suggstions. -% -I completely doubt that. -% -thanks for the lesson in logic. -% -No, the original answer here is the right one. -% -Please state your case very carefully and clearly. -% -Right now, you are not talking facts. -% -You are spreading misinformation. -% -Why??? -% -NO WAY! -% -That feels like a disservice to the world. -% -This is total balony. -% -Bullshit. -% -Wow. What hostility. -% -There's research and there is the real world. -% -From time to time, mistakes sneak in. -% -It is theoretically possible to give a loaded gun to a baby; things -will probably work out fine. -% -What is your solution? -% -And what is your solution? -% -I'm getting ready to declare you a kook -% -In that situation, you would probably want to be left in piece. -% -If you start your own successfull project, you also can develop -your own set of reasons for doing any of a variety of operational -things at any point in time. -% -You seem to have a rather over-extented sense of entitlement -% -Most people are not capable of writing good patches, so it would -be unprofessional to ask such people to write patches. -% -You are speaking like a child. -% -You really need to write a single comprehensive bug report that has -no inconsistancies. -% -THANK YOU FOR THE CLARITY. -% -Sigh. -% -So read what I said again. -% -Improvements come when people try to push forward along the curve. -% -People like you... -% -Let's follow that thought. -% -Incorrect. -% -I don't see the point. -% -So that is the reason why my car stereo has two sets of volume -control knobs..... with the second set located inside the engine -compartment, so I have to stop at the side of the road, pop open -the hood, and reach down along the hot engine to near where the oil -filter is. -% -Take that for what it is. -% -Whatever you're doing, it is wrong. -% -Riiiiiiiiight. Suuuuuuuure. Keep believing that. -% -I would like to see some proof of that. -% -That's not going to happen. -% -Wow. No. -% -You are showing that you can't do any research at all, but want to -throw ideas out. -% -Unlikely. -% -Well... -% -That is a very dangerous direction. -% -I think this will cause further damage. -% -Are you saying OpenBSD does it wrong, or that all the operating -systems do it wrong? -% -Wow, really thick skull you got there. -% -Get real. -% -You can decide what you do with your time, but you cannot decide -what other people do with theirs. -% -And then we move on? -% -Are you kidding? Who does that help? Who? -% -You have offered nothing. -% -You overstate your worth. -% -shrug -% -In your dreams. -% -Amazing isn't it? -% -Oh now I sense some angst. -% -See how bad things start to happen? -% -But I think it is clear you aren't a programmer, and this is over -your head. -% -Did they pay you to write all that text? -% -there is bullshit coming out of your mouth. -% -The nastiest behaviour is "sense of entitlement". -% -You are the type of people who create these situations. -% -We rarely hear about success, because those people are just happy. -% -Totall irrelevant. -% -It is what it is. Work with it. -% -In the interests of full disclosure, do you work for the government -or sell to the government? -% -I heard. -% -you must know, i want no part in any politics. -% -i'm trying to stay out of politics. -% -there are fingers to point all the way around. -% -am i making all this up? perhaps i am, but you don't have to dream -my dreams. -% -i was up at 9am, climbed a mountain, hiked 6 km through 4ft deep -slush (the image you are supposed to get is of 12 million overturned -slurpee cups, and of geting your groin wet in slurpee), nearly died -eating beef vindaloo, wrote some code, talked on the phone, wrote -mail, and now it's almost 4am and this is absolutely beyond ridiculous. -% -who said that? -% -why are you asking me? -% -Then I guess you are just stupid. -% -Since you don't supply diffs, you are a waste of skin. -% -Huh? You've understood incorrectly. -% -This approach is simplestic and wrong. -% -This is not a conversation about your IPv6 connection. -% -What problem are you trying to solve? -% -Wow, what chatter. -% -I don't understand society is producing a generation of people -incapable of self-help. -% -There are people who do that. -% -Shrug. -% -Chill dude. -% -It is crap. -% -Oh good god. -% -I don't know you, maybe I am misinterpreting you. -% -Wow, don't know where you got that from. -% -You persist in reading too much into things. -% -So this is a great way to lose focus. -% -You can figure out what I'm not saying on this line. -% -I think this is a trap. -% -That is an interesting claim. -% -ANSWER THE QUESTION. -% -I am not playing any games. Let's look at the facts. -% -I haven't even read this. -% -I don't care. -% -I quite dislike the direction this is going. -% -Nothing ever changes, noone ever learns, noone cares. -% -With your attitude, I beg you to please go run some other operating -system. -% -Why haven't you left? Please leave. -% -Please leave immediately. -% -Get over it. -% -Please read the actual code. -% -Was that neccessary? -% -Handholding can go only so far. -% -Please, not again. -% -It is in the FAQ. -% -Someone is totally full of shit. -% -You are quite a character. -% -I suspect money which goes into your bank account comes from an -entity not quite on the same side as us. -% -You have an agenda. -% -So easy to be critical. -% -Great conversation... -% -Who do you work for? Governments? -% -Please people, ignore him. -% -I love this conversation. -% -Amazing. -% -Go a few cycles. -% -Why? -% -No really, precisely why do you trust us? -% -What a joke. -% -That is quite a fiction. -% -Never expect a group to perform a task which an individual won't. -% -We never said our code should be trusted. -% -Since I value my sanity, I saw that report, and I ignored it. -% -The complaint department is down the hall. -% -Such strong words. -% -It must be easy to sit in your chair and demand that others meet -your expectations. -% -Didn't you read the manual page? -% -I think you are on your own. -% -Nope. -% -Look there is a disconnect. -% -Fundamentally, OpenBSD is a research project. -% -Hilarious. -% -Your process seems to be "I don't understand the problem, so here -is a diff" -% -And now let's ask the question which matters. -% -Did you think of that? -% -You aren't even trying. PLONK. -% -Oh just shut up. -% -You aren't going to do shit because you don't have any skills. -% -Thank you for adding the value of your words. -% -This is idle chatter hoping someone supplies some secret sauce that -makes a disparate audience with different demands all happy. -% -Welcome to the real world. -% -Sorry. -% -Violates POSIX and C89, which violate best practice in this century. -% -Look, this is rather simple. -% -Oh really. -% -It ends badly. -% -I explained that. -% -Alas. -% -The NTP codebase is larger than the SSH codebase. -% -Guess you don't understand internet. -% -Can I ask what kind of plant are you? -% -And who are you, and what you have you done to test and then prove -your thesis? -% -I am continually baffled by how often we have to explain this point, -over and over and over again. -% -Do not submit a new bug report. -% -Let me be blunt. Your advice is bad. -% -If as a general rule we all want better code running on our systems, -where do you fit in? -% -Nope! -% -Sigh. -% -Now you plainly don't sound like a developer type. -% -What is your solution? -% -You've got access to all this source code. -% -If you can't study the world around you, you will remain ignorant. -% -Don't worry. -% -For contributions to the OpenBSD Project, I make the decision of -how to spend it. -% -Is that an accusation? -% -Look, you'll be fine. -% -Don't waste your money on a false ideal by someone who misunderstands -modern hardware and the market forces. -% -I've think you've had your say. -% -You've had your say. -% -Do you get it? I doubt it. -% -How dreary. -% -Anyways, your timing is atrocious! -% -Look, stop being a child. -% -Such hyperbole! Such drama! -% -Reactive is not the same as proactive. -% -Please run something else. You'll be happier. Really. -% -The problem is you don't pay it backwards. You don't pay it forward. -You don't pay at all. You just beg. -% -I'll ask in a general fashion: Are you stupid? -% -You don't provide any encouragement except for "me me! think of -me!". -% -You are out of touch. -% -OpenBSD is not generally known as an exposed democracy. -% -Are you going to do something -- beyond just being sarcastic? -% -Highly unlikely. -% -Thanks for including all the information in the report. -% -Better question is: Why? -% -Get back onto your meds. -% -What a waste of words. -% -Please people stop mailing me privately and asking. -% -Wait and see. -% -In general, you underestimate the effort involved. -% -Well, I don't think the world will fall over as a result. -% -NOT.... -% -I think this entire conversation is ridiculous, right from the -start. -% -I do not agree with those assessments. -% -In that case, what's the fuss? -% -Well.... -% -I disagree on all those points. -% -Completely wrong, and I have no no idea where you got that from! -% -Read the man page again! -% -You are scaring me. -% -I believe something is not being understood here. -% -I don't normally do this. -% -Well sorry. -% -I don't see any reason. -% -Oh something is broken? -% -Please show your work. -% -Let's get serious and personal here for a second. In other aspects -of life, do you behave the same? -% -That is kind of crazy, isn't it. -% -That is an incorrect assessment. -% -That is only the beginning of it. -% -This is more than a meme. It is a plot. -% -Boggles the mind. -% -Please. -% -You know that is bullshit right? -% -Please stop subscribing us to your motivations. -% -That is false. -% -You are speaking in riddles. -% -That's nice. -% -You are so full of BS! -% -You are quite a persistant idiot. -% -You don't know jack shit about computers or electronics, that much -is obvious. -% -Once again you show that you don't know shit. -% -You are on your own. -% -you have confused yourself. -% -Well there is this funny story about when I hacked into RMS's -firmware-driven keyboard controller, and managed to grap his root -password. -% -You've been smoking something really mind altering, and I think you -should share it. -% -You've seen something on the shelf, and it has all sorts of pretty -colurs, and you've bought it. -% -Feeling a lot of dejavu here. -% -People should be careful what they ask for -% -Aww come on, you had us going until then. -% -I think I hear of someone doing this about every 10 years. -% -I made none of the claims you are composing. -% -That makes no sense. -% -Cannot. -% -Your process here is really strange. -% -How bizzare. -% -This conversation is going far too meta. -% -What's the goal. -% -You have a diff? -% -What you are trying to do is insane, wrong, and entirely unsupported. -% -SERIOUSLY?? -% -If you turn the forums you frequent into your help desk, you are -taking away their ability to focus on delivering you the software -you use. -% -There are too few of us, we cannot take on every problem. -% -Everyone, please ignore these trolls who are cross-posting. -% -Essentially, you are on your own. :-) -% -I am not so sure. -% -obviously. -% -I don't know, but I'll think about it later, because I am busy. -% -So the original idea wasn't yours. And now you think it can't work. -And you are still talking about it. I see. Very interesting. -% -That statement is full of potential for misunderstanding, and cannot -be left alone. -% -I was wrong. -% -Thanks. -% -Careful there :-) -% -That is incorrect advice for the OpenBSD world. -% -Your mistake. -% -This bug report totally sucks. -% -what is "this case"? -% -my advice: walk away from this one. -% -Generally Unix has no way of doing this. -% -So what do you really mean here? -% -Is a crash a performance impact? -% -what is the goal? -% -Your emails only contain opinions. -% -words words words words -% -Are you done? -% -Doesn't that send shivers down your spine? -% -Your bug report is too incomplete. Can't help you. -% -No. -% -We'd rather jump off a cliff. -% -Good luck with that. -% -Looking forward to you providing code which solves the problem. -% -This feature is probably older than you. -% -it is behaving *exactly* as intended. -% -There are a few compromises. -% -I think I know a perfect candidate to take this further: You. -% -Seriously? -% -The OpenBSD process is quite well understood. Use the best methods, -doubt what you do, refractor. -% -Hey, it looks like you are just trying to be a dick. -% -Does your mother know? -% -It's great that you have an opinion. -% -Run something else! We don't care! -% -That's a load of bull. -% -Your opinions count for zero. -% -To achieve merit, you must do the homework you assigned yourself. -% -Get serious. -% -and I wanna build a rocket ship... -% -No thanks. -% -The problem is obvious. -% -If you don't have the skill to do it, well that's too bad... -% -You didn't do your homework, and it blew up in your face. Then you -wrote a few paragraphs. Then I replied. That is the whole sad -story. -% -I tried to read the rest of what you wrote. It makes no sense. -% -I find this discussion pretty uninteresting. -% -I wish more people would find real bugs to fix. -% -:-) -% -I'm done. -% -I don't think you understand what is being done here. -% -Funny. -% -I don't see that. -% -I don't have an answer for you. -% -I don't see the purpose of that. -% -No. -% -Doctor it hurts when I stab myself in the eye. -% -I believe you are not trying to contribute anything valuable with -your comment. -% -are you being trolled now? -% -You are not tall enough to ride. -% -^^^^^^^ -% -People who submit reports which are missing information should feel -terrible. -% -Absolutely no way, that makes no sense. -% -Kill it. -% -On that matter, I'd say tough. -% -It's not black magic. -% -Sigh. -% -Disagree strongly. -% -Don't hold me responsible for the shortcuts. -% -And noone cares what you like or dislike. -% -There will be little or no thought. -% -I am very sceptical. -% -A related issue is lots of people don't know anything about anything. -% -Look, your statement is false. -% -That is the result of a mis-configuration on your part. -% -That is not best practice. -% -This does not matter. -% -It is risk, all gigantic risk. -% -Sometimes people put a bad idea into an RFC. -% -Why -- to hurt people? -% -Oh the situation is much worse than that. -% -I disagree. -% -The same model is not applicable to everything. -% -This is another offer which will be rejected. -% -No. -% -Tired of the suggestions. -% -The end. -% -Sorry, I see it the other way around. -% -This is how rumours start, I guess. -% -That is incorrect. -% -That is the worst possible advice ever. -% -I am really impressed by the analytical skills I observe here. -% -Maybe the fortress fell over because you didn't have enough Lego. -% -Why are you doing this? -% -I still don't see the use case. -% -You haven't justified it. -% -No. -% -I have changed my mind. -% -Whoa. -% -I don't see how that helps anything. -% -What do you want us to do about it? -% -I think you are done here. -% -Whoah. -% -because. -% -No, it is not. -% -Why? -% -Please supply a good justification why that is good. -% -End of story. -% -Everyone tires of your well articulated agenda pushes. -% -Incorrect. -% -Not exactly. -% -We already suffer from low quality in many bug reports. -% -Our function in this ecosystem definately does not include dealing -with other people's bullshit decisions... -% -If you don't care, then don't talk about it. -% -Your voice does not count. -% -that is really not a useful bug report. -% -Yeah, you sure are the cool dude. -% -Things change. -% -Whoa. -% -No? -% -Expectation management is a bitch. -% -There has been a lot of discussion about this. -% -Just stop it. We are not going to listen to you. -% -That is not right. -% -You are on your own. -% -That is not true. -% -That's nice. -% -not everything is perfect. -% -I don't like it. -% -We prefer creating a world that is simpler. -% -Are we finished here? -% -that is intentional. -% -Why not delete it? -% -Pick a position -- then defend it. -% -Switch to Linux, where violations are the norm. -% -Pick a damn position, and declare it. -% -If software sucks, say so. -% -Who didn't solve that problem? People like you. -% -Around here, you come off like a dick who didn't help everyone. -% -unfeasible! -% -There is no juxtaposition. -% -AND WHERE IS THE PONY. -% -It's ok, my cats cannot read and interpret such complexities either. -% -You bought some plastic. -% -You sir, are just wastewater. -% -Your words are just bile. -% -You are way out of line with the software development community. -% -Your interpretations are hostile. -% -I could be doing far better things than making CDs. -% -No way. -% -You are more likely to get sympathy from your mother. -% -[rest deleted] -% -if you can't use the tools to study what is happening, you don't -stand a chance making things better -% -No thanks, it does not make sense. -% -No, you should not. -% -We do not have magic to do this at the moment. -% -Well, openbsd is not linux. -% -This is likely to change, in some way. -% -Thanks for the feedback :-) -% -No, it is not. -% -Why? -% -Please supply a good justification why that is good. -% -End of story. -% -Everyone tires of your well articulated agenda pushes. -% -Incorrect. -% -Not exactly. -% -We already suffer from low quality in many bug reports. -% -Our function in this ecosystem definately does not include dealing -with other people's bullshit decisions... -% -If you don't care, then don't talk about it. -% -Your voice does not count. -% -that is really not a useful bug report. -% -Yeah, you sure are the cool dude. -% -Things change. -% -Whoa. -% -No? -% -Expectation management is a bitch. -% -There has been a lot of discussion about this. -% -Just stop it. We are not going to listen to you. -% -That is not right. -% -You are on your own. -% -That is not true. -% -That's nice. -% -not everything is perfect. -% -I don't like it. -% -We prefer creating a world that is simpler. -% -Are we finished here? -% -that is intentional. -% -Why not delete it? -% -Pick a position -- then defend it. -% -Switch to Linux, where violations are the norm. -% -Pick a damn position, and declare it. -% -If software sucks, say so. -% -Who didn't solve that problem? People like you. -% -Around here, you come off like a dick who didn't help everyone. -% -unfeasible! -% -There is no juxtaposition. -% -AND WHERE IS THE PONY. -% -It's ok, my cats cannot read and interpret such complexities either. -% -You bought some plastic. -% -You sir, are just wastewater. -% -Your words are just bile. -% -You are way out of line with the software development community. -% -Your interpretations are hostile. -% -I could be doing far better things than making CDs. -% -No way. -% -You are more likely to get sympathy from your mother. -% -[rest deleted] -% -if you can't use the tools to study what is happening, you don't -stand a chance making things better -% -No thanks, it does not make sense. -% -No, you should not. -% -We do not have magic to do this at the moment. -% -Well, openbsd is not linux. -% -This is likely to change, in some way. -% -Thanks for the feedback :-) -% -you will only receive crocodile tears from me. -% -Well perhaps you should just leave if you don't like the truth? -% -It is all about your actions. -% -Survival in the universe requires more than copy-and-paste. -% -Summary: The OP has a learning disability. -% -Frankly, who cares? -% -Get off my computer kidz. -% -That stands against my principles. -% -Take a chill pill, or participate in improving it, or wait your -turn. -% -When things go wrong, we contain their influence. -% -sorry to hear you don't understand -% -this is not really a forum to attempt education -% -Look -- did you read the manual page? -% -It seems you did all that, but didn't read the manual pages. -% -Not all errata are for security. -% -Undeducated *check* opinioned *check* -% -There is no way to forgive people who intentionally step in the -shit. -% -It sounds as if you don't understand what happens. -% -So what is learned here? -% -I don't have an answer. -% -Let me get this straight. -% -I see your character... -% -You can do whatever you want. -% -That is completely insane. -% -That's the kind of comment that leads me to take bug reports less -seriously in the future... -% -Crazy. -% -Please. -% -I really doubt the drama of this. -% -whatever -% -Look. -% -Well, is mentioning this even important? -% -I'll ask the question: Why are you sure you need that? -% -pretty sad, but I guess that's the way the world works -% -There is a bug in your brain. -% -You yammer yammer yammer without detail. -% -Something is eating your brain. -% -It depends on what you want. -% -They are manual pages, not manual books. -% -You are welcome to spend your time building an entire new subsystem -and proving the value of your work. -% -Go knock yourself out. -% -Sorry you lost me. -% -I can't tell if you are supporting a useless idea, or declaring -that a useless idea is not worth supporting. -% -So lets just yak about it, right? -% -Yes, I said asshole. -% -I'm astounded by this situation. -% -It is hard to believe people will want that. -% -Why the surprise? -% -Basically, this cannot be oversimplified by 1 line questions followed -by 1 line answers. -% -I'm sorry, but I don't get it. -% -Bootstrapping problem is bootstrapping problem. -% -That is not possible. -% -You really haven't got a clue. -% -You can go read the source. -% -That is incorrect. -% -We don't manage dependencies. -% -You haven't justified need. -% -Careful what you ask for. -% -Demands aren't well received. -% -A detailed bug report helps. 1 line of whining doesn't. -% -4. Roll up sleeves and fix the issue. -% -If you don't understand how computers and networking work, I'm sure -you can find another job. -% -Not everyone is suited to every role. -% -Another solution is to smash that device with a hammer. -% -Did that help? -% -Some of you will think this is a total joke. -% -Overdocumenting isn't a strength. -% -If you want it working, you will need to get it fixed. -% -If you really wanted it fixed you have the src code. -% -Please leave here. -% -Just you, I think. -% -That won't work. -% -If I see a mail which isn't plain text, I delete it. -% -someone in linux land went off the map here. -% -only thinking of yourself, and missing the point. -% -No, what you want does not exist. -% -I said no the first time, and provided a detailed explaination. -% -Why did you feel the need jump in? Ichy butt? -% -Let's just stop this. -% -You just aren't capable of listening to what is being said. -% -I'd like my lawn mowed. -% -I think the entire approach is dumb. -% -There was once a better path. -% -Animated sparkle. -% -I'm not sure what else you expect. -% -Punting stupid problems along forever just gets worse and worse. -% -In a decade, what will this mess look like? -% -When people push buttons, they will eventually hit something -undocumented. -% -I just came to the conclusion you are a loudmouthed jackass. -% -So go away. -% -That doesn't make sense. -% -Well the options are: Get involved and do the work, or watch. -% -There is no policy. -% -Twice the work == twice the work. -% -Unfortunately, you cannot really help. -% -Learn the magic, change the magic. -% -Oh, so you are just some boasty guy on the net -% -You own all the pieces. -% -You are wrong. -% -No way. -% -You are showing inexperience. -% -No, not really. -% -Basically you are saying we should just change everything, consequences -and corectness be damned. -% -Uhm, in your dreams. -% -Not everything in unix is perfect. -% -That sucks. -% -That is working as intended. -% -ktrace or it didn't happen. -% -The solution is obvious. -% -By the way who are you? -% -You come off as pretty uncharitable. -% -More complexity. -% -I don't think you are listening. -% -Shrug. -% -I discussed world peace in a bar once. -% -Lots of words. No action. -% -Or you can go it all yourself. Why don't you do that? -% -It is pretty obvious you are only thinking of yourself, so you -should go create your own system. -% -But we don't need to put up with your demands. -% -Adjust your attitude user -% -I believe this conversation is over, because you have no credibility. -% -Oh are you just talking? -% -Inventing crazy shit is pointless. -% -Lots of misunderstandings in there. -% -Mitigations should be as cheap as possible to satisfy the goal. -% -Then it is probably over your head. Not much I can do about that. -% -That interpretation is wrong. -% -Don't change my words. -% -It is over your head. Or learn to read. Or learn to not reply before -you think. -% -You have a self-entitlement issue. -% -IF YOU ARE A GIGANTIC SLOPPY FAT PIG YOU SURE DO -% -Please go fluff up your sense of selfworth elsewhere. -% -There are no workarounds. -% -You been running that on the internet? -% -That'd be like leaving a running chainsaw on the floor at a daycare -center. -% -When something is dangerous, we get rid of it. -% -Sometimes it is almost like there is a stream of people who want -us to stop trying. -% -Oh, cut your crap. -% -So fix it, or pay someone to fix it. -% -Oh the righteous indignation of public discussion! -% -Have you ever heard of the concept of helping yourself? -% -Don't believe all the promises you hear. -% -Unfortunately noone cares. -% -not that it matters. -% -Sometimes there's a vast difference between a person who declares -something useful and easy to do, and the reality. Sometimes the -person is just plain wrong. -% -I hope noone helps you. -% -You are not helping out. -% -You are doing the bare mininum and tapping on a keyboard. -% -The socket layer will conspire against you. -% -so much drama -% -Your process will not solve anything. -% -But this isn't a pony shop. -% -Shut up -% -It is documented. -% -Sorry, your interpretation is incorrect. -% -Do we want the 1% solution? No. -% -I triage bugs by hitting 'd' in my mail reader. -% -I disagree -% -And please stop using that word. -% -I doubt anyone believes your extremely vague assertions. -% -Who cares? -% -You are making stuff up. -% -I don't think so. -% -you've all been trollolololololololo'd -% -Why? -% -Are we done here? -% -You can search for the rest of the information yourself. -% -No. -% -No. -% -Not going to explain further. -% -Get your shit together -% -oh my, the moral outrage -% -Let it go, and consider leaving for good. -% -Do you have evidence? -% -Diffs are welcome. -% -Please don't do that. -% |